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edited April 2011
Tokugawa
Yes, but the Oda clan was the real winner until their leaders died of sickness/age.
Another thing to remember is, for people who doesnt know, many daiymos still kept their land.
It wasnt like the Date lost their land, its just that after this period they couldnt 'expand' from their provinces, or build new castles etc. They couldnt even create alliances/marriages without the shoguns approval.
edited April 2011
However in reality it was trickier. Oda was about to win but murdered by one of his men. Then he became replaced by one of his generals (Toyotomi Hideyoshi) and he finally became replaced by his ally/vassal (?) Tokugawa who then defeated the rest of the Daimyos.
I wonder if something like this could become recreated in this game.
edited April 2011
there were several major contenders for the title. although the tokugawa played a role in most of it from an early stage, it was not until the 1580s that they gained major power under ieyasu.
the first major contender was oda nobunaga, who, if he hadn't been betrayed and killed at the hands of one of his generals, would have had very few obstacles to acquiring the shogunate.
the next major contender was totoyomi hideyoshi. he was much more powerful than ieyasu after the death of nobunaga (he was one of his generals). he was unable to gain favour with the Emperor due to his peasent background and was denied/not granted the title of shogun.
after hideyoshi's death ieyasu quickly seized the opportunity to gain more power, and quickly become the most powerful diamyo, ultimately leading to becoming shogun.
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Nobunaga (son of Nobuhide) imprisoned or killed his brother (Nobuyuki), which some of his clan were supporting due to a shameful display at his father's funeral. No i'm not joking.
He was faced by two alliances that had the potential to defeeat him, both of which collapsed when their leader died. First, Takeda Shingen, then Uesugi Kenshin. It is said after Kenshin died that Nobunaga remarked 'now the empire is mine'.
He was betrayed by Akechi Mitsuhide who later died at the hands of Toyotomi Hideyoshi. Margolis covered the rest. The fact that these are all in game generals is kind of cool. When playing the Oda, I deliberately kill off Nobuhide early :P
edited April 2011
The final nail in the Oda coffin was the bestrayal by Tokugawa. Hideyoshi near imminent death had his loyal Diamyos, which included Tokugawa, swear fealty until death to protect his son until he came of age to rule and take leadership of the clan. Tokugawa kept his promise initially and completed the remainder of the military conquest of japan. Finally knowing that only Hideyori could contend with his now almost supreme power, he betrayed his promise and accused Hideyori of subversion. He laid seige to Hideyoshi's grand castle in Osaka. He sent a messanger to parley with the castle defenders who supposedly numbered some one hundred thousand troops. When a truce was declared Tokugawa had his men fill in the moats and proceeded to slaughter the remainder of the defenders.
Ultimately Hideyoshi's son Hideyori commited Seppuki and this removed the only contender to Tokugawa's supremacy, and the shogunate.
It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.
George S. Patton
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The final nail in the Oda coffin was the bestrayal by Tokugawa. Hideyoshi near imminent death had his loyal Diamyos, which included Tokugawa, swear fealty until death to protect his son until he came of age to rule and take leadership of the clan. Tokugawa kept his promise initially and completed the remainder of the military conquest of japan. Finally knowing that only Hideyori could contend with his now almost supreme power, he betrayed his promise and accused Hideyori of subversion. He laid seige to Hideyoshi's grand castle in Osaka. He sent a messanger to parley with the castle defenders who supposedly numbered some one hundred thousand troops. When a truce was declared Tokugawa had his men fill in the moats and proceeded to slaughter the remainder of the defenders.
Ultimately Hideyoshi's son Hideyori commited Seppuki and this removed the only contender to Tokugawa's supremacy, and the shogunate.

ouch what a cruel way to end. Thanks for the background info though
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edited April 2011
Tokugawa, whatever we may think of him, was a true survivor and this ultimately made him a winner.
Screw promises and all the other stuff. Winners write history, losers end up in an unmarked grave. And he did create a unified Japan with a lasting peace so in the end most of the people in Japan were grateful I guess.
Also, Hideyori had an 8-year old son who was beheaded by the Tokugawa clan. Nothing personal I'm sure, strictly business..
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No darn samurai ever won a war by dying honourably. He won it by letting the other poor samurai die honoroubly.
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edited April 2011
if someone in power force you to swear things you dont want or agree with.. you might do it.
Thats why I don't see Tokugawa as a backstabber, he HAD to swear loyalty to a generals son which wasnt of noble birth but inherited power because his lord just died.
Another thing to add, remember that Tokugawa was in an alliance/coalition with other clans, just as his opponents was - west against east of Japan.
So you shouldnt think that Tokugawa and his clan was the winner alone, many clans gained on the winning even if they didnt become 'shogun'.
edited April 2011
if someone in power force you to swear things you dont want or agree with.. you might do it.
Thats why I don't see Tokugawa as a backstabber, he HAD to swear loyalty to a generals son which wasnt of noble birth but inherited power because his lord just died.
Another thing to add, remember that Tokugawa was in an alliance/coalition with other clans, just as his opponents was - west against east of Japan.
So you shouldnt think that Tokugawa and his clan was the winner alone, many clans gained on the winning even if they didnt become 'shogun'.

Well it is true that the allied Diamyos were rewarded with more lands, but the Tokugawa Shogunate was true victor. Ieaysu was savy and knew that if he financially burdened the other Diamyo's he would prevent future contention for his power. Forcing the Edo rule on them. Diamyo's would travel at huge expense to live in Edo half of the time with huge processions marching across Japan number in tens of thousands of men. The tremendous cost of this kept the other Diamyos in check financially, preventing them from marshalling more forces. They also implemented laws preventing any clans from warring with other clans without strict Shogun approval. Ieaysu was careful to balance the Diamyos to ensure no one was to strong..all 260 of them.
It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.
George S. Patton

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